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I am sympathetic to anti-natalist ideas, kind of ironic as I do have children. However, most people alive today do not regret their existence. I believe most people think the joy they have in their life can offset their level of suffering.

Although I agree that ordinary pleasure can offset ordinary suffering. I suspect there is a threshold asymmetry: some forms of suffering are so extreme that no amount of compensating pleasure could morally justify exposure to even a small probability of them. Bringing a person into existence exposes them to that risk.

Part of my concern is not merely abstract moral reasoning, but based on our human architecture. We seem to have evolved to receive pain more than joy. The pain-pleasure axis was not symmetry built. Extreme suffering (especially prolonged psychological or physical trauma) appears to permanently alter a person in ways that pleasure does not “undo.” For example, if someone were subjected to a year of severe torture, there is nothing available in present human life that could fully erase or offset that level of psychological damage.

Perhaps future technologies could repair or erase traumatic memories. But as things stand today, there are forms of suffering that can permanently dominate someone’s narrative in a way that pleasure cannot offset. This shows that suffering and pleasure may not be commensurable beyond a certain threshold.

If future technologies dramatically expand the scale of possible suffering, then cryonics might be irrational, not because life is bad on average, but because the tail risks dominate. The same technological trajectory that enables revival could lead to more evil forms of torture that wouldn’t be possible with today’s technology. I accept that my S-risk is higher in the future. I consider myself a risk-taker or even a type of existential gambler.

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